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More on the tracing issue

Sat Feb 7, 2009, 12:00 AM
`budgie has pretty much wrote it better than I can, so please read his journal here

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Which is a response to this news article

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bits of which are very, very sad indeed

I'm making some changes to my galleries, and due to this from now on I will only make the images available in lo-res.

I'm not sure how long it'll take or if I'll bother to finish adding watermark etc so most of my deviations would be in storage until then.

EDIT: After hearing the comment below, I should also say that I'm doing this more for the protest aspect of it, even though I know it probably does nothing. And seriously, I never for once believe that submitting lo-res picture or watermarking will stop tracing (hell, anyone with half an eye can trace an image as long as it's still distinct enough). For quite a while now if I do a comissioned work, I don't upload it to DA for this very reason. If people are willing to pay me a fair price for a piece of art, I don't see any reason of putting that piece at risk of being stolen.

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=eldris Feb 7, 2009, 12:05:55 AM
I don't really get why this is suddenly making you panic watermark all your art. People aren't allowed to use your art without permission. The "update" (which was really jsut a clarification of existing policy) doesn't say anything about people suddenly being able to use your art. [link] still applies.

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~Serio555 Feb 7, 2009, 12:20:51 AM
It's not a matter of panic - it's more a matter of protest. I know if people really want to steal art they'll be able to steal art one way or another, but now it seems like DA is going to apply a policy where if the original owner doesn't complain, then it's "usually" allowed.

They have their rules, and yet they're saying things that seems to go against their own rules.

So as I said, I've seen my work stolen before, and quite often there's not much I can do. But if DA is going to condone tracing, then I see no reason to see DA as any different from photobucket - and I will never upload high-res images to photobucket on public folders.
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=eldris Feb 7, 2009, 12:26:28 AM
We're lucky dA allows us to report rips of other artist's work at all. The DMCA says that only the artist, or someone authorized by law to act on their behalf, can make a DMCA infringement notice or else you can be prosecuted.

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~Serio555 Feb 7, 2009, 12:34:28 AM
"We're lucky dA allows us to report rips of other artist's work at all."

I believe if DA is an ART site then they have an obligation to promote proper practices, and not condone what basically amounts to art theft. Saying that we should be thankful that DA even allows us to report will continually lower the standards, until eventually we'll be saying "oh, we're lucky they allow us to upload anything at all"

And considering most anime studios will not be scouring DA for traced work, they're practically promoting tracing now that you can trace and call it fanart.

I support putting tracing as a scraps-only feature, but to put it under fanart is not something I can agree with.
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=eldris Feb 7, 2009, 12:38:47 AM
"we'll be saying "oh, we're lucky they allow us to upload anything at all" "

Well, you could be saying that now. dA don't have to be here, I mean sure they'd go out of business, but they don't have to let us do anything.

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~Serio555 Feb 7, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
Well, that's the point. they'd go out of business. I mean, if a supermarket, airline or other businesses treat their customer badly, wouldn't you complain about it?

I mean, if a health site condones obesity because it's not against the law, you wouldn't treat it seriously, would you?
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=SpoiledCorpse Feb 7, 2009, 12:58:35 AM
God this sucks I have lost all faith in deviantart, is no different then photoshop, except photoshop allows porn.

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~InuyashaIncarnate Feb 7, 2009, 1:43:35 AM
I agree with you, but its very opinionated. if i tried to re-draw someone elses work exactly like they have done it, but not trace it, thats basically he same as tracing, hey? cos if i was a human robot i could reprint the work exactly as it looks without even touching it. i guess drawing something exactly how the other person did is still stealing, even if you didnt technically trace it. though re-drawing a figure into a different position is hard! i dont think people get how much harder that is.

but in my opinion the only issues with tracing, besides laws and morals, is that people make money out of it and get popular. even if not everyone does sell them, eventually there will be a time where the copied image is more popular than the original, making it hard to distinguish, and of couse if everyone does it who will keep track? and ive seen kick-ass works that'd get thousands of favs if people saw them, but they stay mediating around 30 cos they arnt known, so popularity is an issue too.

in a sence it does sound like were expecting alot of DA, but really its not the only art site. and were helping them make money, so...if theres no guarantee that our art is safe people will just change

haha sorry for the rant. its prettymuch just saying what u said, but it is weird (especiialy seeing that the administrator actually copied and sells a work someone else did) and i have homework im procrestinating on :D lol

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=Stammo Feb 7, 2009, 1:55:08 AM
It appears as though some people think that nothing is original anymore. At least that was the impression I got from one senior member here, as certain 'doubtful-dara (or something like that).

When a deviant ( ~teepott ) said that art needs to be original, she in turn replied, asking him 'What in life is original?'

What a disgusting answer and such an unoriginal rebuttal for one to use in this debate! She believes firmly in the professional aspect of tracing.

If there is a professional aspect of tracing, why then must it be uploaded in the fan art catagory?
I would love to see her answer for that one.

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